My new baby!!

[mullins87]

I just bought an '01 Cherokee. Last Saturday I was driving around and happened to pull onto a local used car lot and saw this Cherokee sitting there. I had no intentions of buying anything, I just wanted to look at it. Well, one thing led to another and before I knew it, the dealer was making me offers for my truck and wanting to give me money. Long story short, he just called and said if the offers were still good that we had a deal. I go pick it up at 2:30 today. I'll post some pictures when I can get them taken and uploaded. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/animxj.gif

It's an '01 Cherokee Sport (I think), 63xxx miles, 4x4, auto, dark blue with gray interior, AM/FM/cassette/CD, power everything, cruise, roof rack, tinted windows, keyless entry, and some other stuff I'm forgetting.

[Tomster]

Is that puppy gonna get wheeled???

[Fred]

I got an AWSOMW set of 2x4 rock rails for it for sale, $200 you canhave them and I'll help you install them and all!!!!!!! Congrats on the Cherokee by the way!

[Marlon_JBT]

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I just bought an '01 Cherokee. Last Saturday I was driving around and happened to pull onto a local used car lot and saw this Cherokee sitting there. I had no intentions of buying anything, I just wanted to look at it. Well, one thing led to another and before I knew it, the dealer was making me offers for my truck and wanting to give me money. Long story short, he just called and said if the offers were still good that we had a deal. I go pick it up at 2:30 today. I'll post some pictures when I can get them taken and uploaded. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/animxj.gif

It's an '01 Cherokee Sport (I think), 63xxx miles, 4x4, auto, dark blue with gray interior, AM/FM/cassette/CD, power everything, cruise, roof rack, tinted windows, keyless entry, and some other stuff I'm forgetting.

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Yay! another Jeep! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/animxj.gif As for equipment...sounds like my Liby. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif Congrats! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

now... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthless.gif

[Paul E]

Out of curiousity, what is the towing capacity for the 01 Cherokee's?

[Marlon_JBT]

2.5 Tons

5000lbs

2,267Kg

[gmbtj]

Congrats on the new purchase. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But I'm confused, did you trade in your F-350 or what?

[Don]

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2.5 Tons

5000lbs

2,267Kg

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The Grands have towing limit of 5,000 for the 4.0L and 7,500 for the 4.7L. I think Cherokees are less than the 5,000 limit, but I could be wrong.

[Marlon_JBT]

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2.5 Tons

5000lbs

2,267Kg

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The Grands have towing limit of 5,000 for the 4.0L and 7,500 for the 4.7L. I think Cherokees are less than the 5,000 limit, but I could be wrong.

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Well, you're wrong! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif It's 5,000lbs.

[Dennis]

That sounds like a great find, Jim. I'm a long-time Cherokee admirer, and now its a modern classic.

I can't wait to see your new signature line.

[Matt]

Congrats, on the Xj. One more on here is always a welome site. BTW, I've tried towing the Xj to the max. NOT A GOOD IDEA!

[Don]

Marlon:

I'll take your word for it, but I can't say that I have ever seen a class III hitch on a Cherokee. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[mullins87]

Marlon's right on the towing capacity. The manual has it listed as being 5k. It'll be interesting to see how well it does pulling the YJ. I know it won't be as easy as the F-350.

Yep, the dually is gone. The dealer made me a good deal and I couldn't refuse, plus got money out of the deal as well.

The only wheelin' this baby is gonna see is what it can watch from the parking lot. It's my new DD and, IMO, way too nice to wheel. I've got two pics of it that I'll get loaded up soon. And, I guess that I need to change my sig. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif

[gmbtj]

well at least make it taller with a bb or sumthing.

[mullins87]

http://www.itsajeep.org/PhotoPost/data/15323/30100-0003_IMG1-med.JPG


http://www.itsajeep.org/PhotoPost/data/15323/30100-0004_IMG1-med.JPG



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[Tomster]

Nice, Jimbo! That's a beauty!

Now, just think how good it will look with 35s under it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Tom

[gmbtj]

very nice!!!! Me gusto mucho!!!!!

i think 32's and black steelies are in order. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Marlon_JBT]

Tear. It looks great! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

(BTW: it's Patriot Blue Pearl)

[Don]

Wow! That is a Nice Looking Cherokee....... I will be keeping my eyes open wide watching for a Cherokee pulling anything close to 5,000 lbs. Not because I question you guys, but because I have never seen it done before with a Cherokee. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Don]

Did the older Cherokee have a lower towing capacity?

[Fred]

Well at least put rock rails on for attitude, mine are 2x4 so they will serve as a step also!! Come on Jim I need to buy some for the TJ, but need to sell mine first.
That is an AWSOME looking XJ though, I can't believe you traded the 1 ton for a cherokee

[Matt]

As far as I know, that 5,000 lbs is with the tow package. That I beleive includes, a tranny cooler,and 4.10 gears. I have pulled a tandam axle trailer with a mini stock on it. It was no fun, the Xj didnot like it at all, and that was a very short ride.I dont mean to rain on your parade, but remember, the towing capacity includes passengers and gear in the tow vehicle

[mawardjr]

Nice XJ ... but I'd agree with Matt ... your gonna miss your truck when it comes to towing. If you do decide to use it as a tow vehicle then I hope your trailer has brakes.

[Don]

Maybe Jim will let you remove his doors /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif

[mullins87]

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...the towing capacity includes passengers and gear in the tow vehicle

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Not exactly. Passengers and gear affect how much tongue weight you can have by increasing the Gross Vehicle Weight. The reason I said "not exactly" is because passengers and gear also contribute to Gross Combined Weight, which is the weight of the entire rig. In order to know for sure, I'd have to weigh the XJ and the YJ on the trailer at a truck stop. That way I'd know exactly where I stand.

But guys, don't think I am looking at this through rose colored glasses. I know the XJ isn't designed as a towing machine and it won't pull the YJ nearly as easily as the F-350. I need to put brakes on my trailer, get a weight distributing hitch and install a tranny cooler (if it doesn't have one already) with a tranny temp gauge. As far as gearing goes, man this one has got a LOT of punch off the line. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif I'm hoping it has the 4.10's in it. I've pulled my neighbors 19' Sea Ray with their '01 Grand. It has the 4.0L and it pulled their boat just fine and that was without trailer brakes or weight distributing hitch. The dry hull weight for their boat was just over 2,800lbs, plus the trailer probably weighs at least 400 to 500lbs. So I figure by the time you add in the weight of the batteries, full tank of fuel, skis, life jackets, cooler, anchor, etc... that boat/trailer should go well over 3,500lbs. My YJ/trailer combo shouldn't go over 4,500lbs. But like I said earlier, I'd have to weigh it to know for sure.

[mawardjr]

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Maybe Jim will let you remove his doors /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif

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Oh yeh!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif Come on warm weather!!!! Wheeling with doors on is KILLING ME!!!!!!

[Don]

Jim: I use a 2000 WJ with the 4.0L as my tow vehicle and I do okay. I pull a 16 foot flatbed trailer and my 98 TJ. The trailer has electric brakes, but my WJ doesn't have the controler. My TJ weighs in at 3,300 - 3,500 lbs, the trailer is approximately 1,000 lbs. Plus some gear, so I suspect that I am pushing the 5,000 lbs limit. I also have transported my farm tractor and bush hog on the trailer. I have no idea (don't want to know :-) ) what that tractor weighs, but it makes the TJ feel like a featherweight. Getting the weight balanced on the trailer (front to rear), is the biggest thing as my WJ doesn't handle too much tounge weight well at all. I suspect that your Cherokee will be the same. I have no doubt that your Cherokee can pull the trailer, I just can't ever remember seeing a Cherokee as a tow vehicle on a larger trailer.

[pirate_over50]

Jim..you might want to consider using a car dolly with brakes. It would certainly pull easier than a loaded trailer. By the way, did you pull into the Mayfield Pizza Inn today about 11:30a? Look like the Cherokee and I saw a little man in the passenger side. Just wondering..Mike

[gmbtj]

but then the tread on the back wheels would wear down alot faster.

[pirate_over50]

Well yea....and your point is? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It was just a thought. By the way, have you seen the blue CJ for sale by the bar-b-que place in town? I meant to stop and look at it today while I was in Mayfield and just ran out of time.

[Don]

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Jim..you might want to consider using a car dolly with brakes. It would certainly pull easier than a loaded trailer. By the way, did you pull into the Mayfield Pizza Inn today about 11:30a? Look like the Cherokee and I saw a little man in the passenger side. Just wondering..Mike

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I loaned my trailer to a friend after he had used a car dolly. He told me that the trailer towed much nicer than the dolly. I have no first hand experience with this, I'm just repeating what I was told /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Don]

Hey Jim: Do you already have the trailer? I think I saw one in your photos. If not, I would be willing to let you pull my loaded trailer sometime. Just thinking out loud here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mullins87]

Nope, wasn't me. I was in Murray at that time. They are wanting $4,100 for that CJ. I didn't read too much on the sign, but I think it said it had a 350 in it. It looked mighty rough to me for $4,100. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eyeroll.gif

[mullins87]

Don, You say your 4.0L WJ pulls your TJ just fine? All I have is a 16' flatbed as well. Once I get a hitch put on, I'll hooked 'em up and just see how it does. So, until I get the weight distributing hitch and brakes on the trailer, I'll probably driving the YJ to TB.

[Don]

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Don, You say your 4.0L WJ pulls your TJ just fine? All I have is a 16' flatbed as well. Once I get a hitch put on, I'll hooked 'em up and just see how it does. So, until I get the weight distributing hitch and brakes on the trailer, I'll probably driving the YJ to TB.

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Hey Jim: My WJ with the 4.0L does fine pulling my 16ft trailer. I won't win any races, but I have pulled that little TJ 1,000's of miles. One trip was 906 miles one way. If you have too much tounge weight, your Cherokee won't feel right.. it will float at higher speeds. If you have too much tail weight, your trailer will want to sway and fishtail at higher speeds. Once you find the "Sweet spot" you will know it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I do not have a distribution hitch, I just balance the TJ on the trailer, then pull slightly forward. I have the E brakes in operation either. For safety, I really need to get the E brakes going. Some people say I can install the controler myself since the vehicle has the towing package.. others say no. I am scared..... so I do nothing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I use "T HOOKS" to strap my TJ down. Others will use axle straps. Both work. However, with a lifted Jeep, I think the T hooks provide a little more stability.... esp. on curves (less body roll on the TJ). Since you own the trailer, all this is probably old news to you and you have developed a system that works for you.

[mullins87]

Ideally you will want 10% of the gross trailer weight on the tongue, in our cases about 450 lbs. I can tell you how to weigh your trailer tongue using your bathroom scales if you want to know how. Running with too little weight on the tongue can be more dangerous than running with too much weight on it. As the load on a tire increases, the contact patch will also increase. Under hard braking that extra weight, and subsequent contact patch, could keep that tire from locking up or otherwise sliding causing the rig to jack knife. That's why I fully intend on installing a weight distributing hitch. Also, a set of airbags will help with rearend sag and overall vehicle attitude.

The brake controllers are really easy to install. The one I had on my F-350 only had three or four wires. I'm typing this entirely from memory and it has been 4 years since I wired one up, I may not be entirely correct in which wires are what but it really is this simple. One wire is a switched hot lead (or could be the ground, that is where the three or four wires comes from since it WILL have a ground), one wire taps into your brake light circuit and one wire will go to your trailers electrical connector. It's that simple. The newer ones work using a device called something like a "decelerameter", in other words a device that measures the rate at which your vehicle is slowing down. This device is activated when the brake lights come on and while measuring your rate of deceleration, determines how much voltage to apply to your trailer brakes. More voltage means more braking and vica versa. There are several forms of this device. My old controller used a mercury switch while newer ones are all electronic. The newer ones are the best as my old one would apply the trailer brakes on a downhill grade when I applied my exhaust brake. Tekonsha makes a pretty good one. I think it's called the "Prodigy." Just go to a reputable RV store and they should be able to help you decide which one is best suited for your needs and budget. Word of caution though, this is one area where "bigger is better" is certainly not true. My old controller was designed for use with up to eight brakes (or four axles). My camper, which only had four brakes (two axles), would lock up at slow speeds with just a touch of the brake pedal. So I was constantly having to adjust the gain on that unit. The reason for the lock-up problem is that "larger" units will ramp up the voltage much more quickly than a "smaller" unit.

[Paul E]

This kind of writeup would be ideal for our technical section... Maybe a new entry called Tow Rigs and setup?

[Don]

Jim: I knew you had been around the block on this issue /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif One thing I have done that I will _NEVER_ do is flat tow a vehicle /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/td.gif If you have a motorhome and you are trying to flat tow a Jeep, you will probably do okay. However, if you attempt to flat tow with a smaller tow vehicle, you will probably not like the results. In MHO, the trailer is the only way to go /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jefferson1964]

I just caught this thread. The cherokee looks new in the pics you posted...musta done good....My best friend had an 86' two door cherokee and put over 200K on his I-6 before he gave it to my wife's mother.....I luv the I-6's.......

[RodDawg]

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Ideally you will want 10% of the gross trailer weight on the tongue, in our cases about 450 lbs. I can tell you how to weigh your trailer tongue using your bathroom scales if you want to know how. Running with too little weight on the tongue can be more dangerous than running with too much weight on it. As the load on a tire increases, the contact patch will also increase. Under hard braking that extra weight, and subsequent contact patch, could keep that tire from locking up or otherwise sliding causing the rig to jack knife. That's why I fully intend on installing a weight distributing hitch. Also, a set of airbags will help with rearend sag and overall vehicle attitude.

The brake controllers are really easy to install. The one I had on my F-350 only had three or four wires. I'm typing this entirely from memory and it has been 4 years since I wired one up, I may not be entirely correct in which wires are what but it really is this simple. One wire is a switched hot lead (or could be the ground, that is where the three or four wires comes from since it WILL have a ground), one wire taps into your brake light circuit and one wire will go to your trailers electrical connector. It's that simple. The newer ones work using a device called something like a "decelerameter", in other words a device that measures the rate at which your vehicle is slowing down. This device is activated when the brake lights come on and while measuring your rate of deceleration, determines how much voltage to apply to your trailer brakes. More voltage means more braking and vica versa. There are several forms of this device. My old controller used a mercury switch while newer ones are all electronic. The newer ones are the best as my old one would apply the trailer brakes on a downhill grade when I applied my exhaust brake. Tekonsha makes a pretty good one. I think it's called the "Prodigy." Just go to a reputable RV store and they should be able to help you decide which one is best suited for your needs and budget. Word of caution though, this is one area where "bigger is better" is certainly not true. My old controller was designed for use with up to eight brakes (or four axles). My camper, which only had four brakes (two axles), would lock up at slow speeds with just a touch of the brake pedal. So I was constantly having to adjust the gain on that unit. The reason for the lock-up problem is that "larger" units will ramp up the voltage much more quickly than a "smaller" unit.

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If you're looking for a brake controller, look here web page (http://www.brakesmart.net/) The best on the market hands down. A little on the pricey side ($350), but I put one on my '04 Dodge 3500 because I tow several different trailers. Put it on over a year ago, calibrated it to my truck, and have never touched it again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

[Don]

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If you're looking for a brake controller, look here web page (http://www.brakesmart.net/) The best on the market hands down. A little on the pricey side ($350), but I put one on my '04 Dodge 3500 because I tow several different trailers. Put it on over a year ago, calibrated it to my truck, and have never touched it again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

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$350.00 Ouch... I was looking at the $65.00 to $85.00 ones.
Call me cheap, but $350.00 will buy a lot of TJ parts /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RodDawg]

I haul alot, and the first time a little old lady in front of me jammed on the brakes because the light turned yellow and the truck and trailer started bucking because of one of those $65 pendulum activated units, I decided to look into something better. $350 seems like alot until you plow someone in the rearend. That's what I looked at.

[Don]

I hear ya...... at the moment, I don't have trailer brakes at all as I don't have a controller. Whatever, I get, will be better than what I have now /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mullins87]

That looks like a pretty neat controller. A little pricey for what I want to do. But, if I were hooking up to several different trailers with differing weights and configurations, that one would fit the bill.

Don, don't mess with those cheapees. They will "do" the job, but not very efficiently. I haven't priced a Tekonsha Prodigy in a while, but I think they are around $150 to $200. That's probably the one I'll buy unless something better for tha price has come along.

[mullins87]

Well, I've been out of commission for about two weeks now. Finally got my new ISP hooked up. It's a wireless deal. Pretty neat. No more dialup for me!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif

I've found out a couple of things about the new Jeep. It has 3.55 gears in it, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/td.gif, I was hoping for 4.10's. But it does have the Chrysler 8.25 rear axle. Is that a good thing? It looks considerably heavier than the D35. I've got a hitch ordered for a local RV dealership and I've been scouring Ebay for a load distributing hitch. Can't wait to get the hitch on the blue Jeep and see how it'll do pulling the red Jeep and camper.

[Marlon_JBT]

Chrysler 8.25 = Gooooooooood thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://www.itsajeep.org/PhotoPost/data/15209/6DSC00791-med.JPG
There's some specs and a comparison around here somewhere. It's a strong axle.... think D44.

[mullins87]

Great. I'll need a strong rear axle if I'm gonna tow with this Jeep.

BTW: First three tanks of gas have given me 16.6 - mainly city driving with some highway: then 19.6 and 18.8 - mainly highway driving. I'm pretty pleased.

[Don]

Yep,, and you will get about 9 mpg when pulling that trailer /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/td.gif

[Marlon_JBT]

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Yep,, and you will get about 9 mpg when pulling that trailer /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/td.gif

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At least it's a Jeep pulling another Jeep and not a :gulp: Ford...



/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif j/k, Jim. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Don]

http://www.itsajeep.org/PhotoPost/data/15334/438Dsc03414-E.jpg

Here is a pic of my WJ in action. This pic was taken after about $11.00 in quarters /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Landon]

Very nice Don /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

[mullins87]

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Yep,, and you will get about 9 mpg when pulling that trailer /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/td.gif

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My neighbor gets about 11 mpg pulling her boat, roughly 3,500lbs+. I plan on somewhere on either side of 10 mpg. BTW, what's your gear ratio?

[mullins87]

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At least it's a Jeep pulling another Jeep and not a :gulp: Ford...



/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif j/k, Jim. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gifhehehehehe /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif

I was really looking for a red XJ to match the YJ. That would've been way too cool. Oh well, blue's not bad.

[Don]

On which vehicle?

WJ = 3.73?? (build sheet at work)

TJ = 3.07 (they suck BIG time!)

Trailer = unknown /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif

[mullins87]

The WJ. I was reeeaaallly hoping you would say your WJ had 3.55's also. Of course your tires are larger than mine, so the final drive ratio could be very close.

[Don]

WJ has 245 x 70 x 16 tires. It also has the Up Country package which included skids (additional weight??), and the Quadra Drive System (all time 4x4). I guess the good news is I don't have to put gas in the trailer too often /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Maybe I should average the WJ's MPG with the MPG of the trailer?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif

[Fred]

Hey Jim, you bringing the YJ out to TB anytime soon? Like THIS SAT!!!! I'll be there again Sat, dunno about Sun yet, its supposed to rain. I'll be out as much as possible between now and June, then I go earn my paycheck for 7-9 mons!!!!

[mullins87]

Sorry Fred, won't be there this Saturday. My brother-in-law and I are going to replace the brakes on his Dakota and his son's WJ. I may not be wheelin', but at least I'll be turning a wrench on a Jeep. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

I got my hitch yesterday and installed it tonight. Aside from two very subborn bolts holding the tailpipe hanger in place, the install went fairly quickly. I'm gonna wire up the lights tomorrow and then weld up some pieces to my ramps to make them self storing. I can't just through them in the back of the truck anymore. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eyeroll.gif

[mullins87]

Well, I've been rather busy buying stuff for the XJ. I picked up a set of Canyon wheels for it on ebay for $56. I am going to Little Rock on Friday to pick them up. I figure for that price if they're not in really good shape I will put them on the trailer. Either way, whether these Canyons go on the trailer or the steel wheels that are on the XJ now go on it, it'll have Jeep wheels on it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif

I also picked up a complete set of trailer brakes on ebay for $104, $153.16 shipped to my door. Right now I'm in weight distributing hitch mode. Once that has been acquired, then I'm ready to rock 'n roll.

Don, I saw a Prodigy brake controller at one of the local RV dealers for around $150. However, I found several new ones on ebay for just under $100. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif Guess where I'll be buying mine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

A buddy of mine at work told me yesterday that he may have a new 3" lift for an XJ, if he can find all the parts. He sold his about a year ago, before I was working on a daily basis with him, without ever putting the lift on. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/animxj.gif COOL!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

[Don]

Hey Jim: Sounds like you have been busy. I appreciate the trailer controller information..... I got so confused over the issue, I did nothing /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Paul E]

Jim, if you're not gonna wheel the XJ, why do the lift? Or have you changed plans and will potentially wheel it?

[Fred]

I agree, if not wheeling the XJ I would not do anything more than 3/4" spacer and a 1" block. I know blocks suck, But as I said IF YOUR NOT GONNA WHEEL IT! XJ's give alot of other issues when lifted, especially new ones!

[mullins87]

Purely looks. It just seems to sit too low to the ground. It has 225/75/15's on it and I can barely get my fist between the tire and the top of the fenderwell. Besides, I'm used to sliding out of/climbing into everything I've ever owned and it's killing me to just step into/out of it.

[mullins87]

I don't know what kind of lift my buddy at work has. If it has blocks for the rear, I most likely won't put it on. Blocks will amplify any axle wrap problems, which would not be a good thing while towing. I may just end up with ZJ springs and longer shackles. Who knows, we'll just wait and see. You guys know that I usually don't get in any hurry.

[Tomster]

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I don't know what kind of lift my buddy at work has. If it has blocks for the rear, I most likely won't put it on. Blocks will amplify any axle wrap problems, which would not be a good thing while towing. I may just end up with ZJ springs and longer shackles. Who knows, we'll just wait and see. You guys know that I usually don't get in any hurry.

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I'm sure your boss would back that up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Tom

[gmbtj]

Also Jim, I have some 235/75/15 in my garage just sitting there if you are interested in them. I thin 3 inched of total lift would look great on your jeep cherokee.

[mullins87]

[/ QUOTE ] I'm sure your boss would back that up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Tom

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gifhehehehe /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif You're probably right! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mullins87]

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Also Jim, I have some 235/75/15 in my garage just sitting there if you are interested in them. I thin 3 inched of total lift would look great on your jeep cherokee.

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I think a small lift, even without putting on larger tires, will change its looks altogether. I greatly appreciate that offer Patrick, but the Timberlines that are on it now are nearly new. Even with all the driving I do, it'll probably be a couple of years before I need a new set.


on edit: You know what Patrick, I could maybe use those on the trailer. The tires on it are marginal at best. What brand are they, white letter or not, what do you want for them?

[mullins87]

I just got back from Little Rock. I got up at 4:15 a.m., left the house around 5:00 a.m. and arrived in LR right at 10:00. Got to a Wendy's at 10:15, gassed up at 10:40, hit the interstate at 10:50 and got home at 3:15. Not a bad trip at all. The wheels are better than expected. One wheel does have a small cut on the edge. It almost looks like an angle grinder hit it by mistake. The cut is right on the outer lip, but doesn't go very deep at all. I'm gonna talk to some experienced tire guys about it. If they don't think it's a problem, then these wheels are going on the XJ.

[gmbtj]

Well Jim, they are the ever-famous Goodyear Wrangler GS-A's, with the good ole' white letting on the outside. Would make a pretty good trailer tire. Your decision.

[Don]

Actually, on larger trailers, like car haulers, it is recommended that you use only trailer tires, not private passenger tires. I didn't realize there was a difference, but it appears that there is.

[IndyXJ]

I know what you mean about stock XJ's feeling too low, almost like a glorified station wagon. However, if I had a stock one, I'd probably keep it that way to keep the ride as nice as possible. Maybe replace the worn out shocks and springs in front.(if they are)

[mullins87]

When you're running 3,500lb axles, it is ok to run passenger car tires. Almost all 15" tires will have a weight rating of at least 1,750lbs. I think the typical P235/75/15 has a rating of around 1,850-1,900lbs. Now, when you get into 5,000lb and up axles, then that's where you have to use the heavier trailer tires. They'll have ratings well over 2,000lbs per tire.

[mullins87]

Oh yeah, I forgot about you having those Get Stuck Always. How much tread is on them and how much do ya' want for 'em?

[Don]

Well, I guess they just did a "Sales Job" on me when I purchased my trailer tires.... as they insisted that I wanted trailer tires.... but in my case it really didn't matter what they sold me as I got 5 new tires and 5 new white wagon wheels all for $250.00 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif

[mullins87]

Even on the lighter trailers, trailer tires are still the better way to go. They have heavier sidewalls that help to keep trailer sway under control. Trailer tires are the better choice of the two. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gif

[Don]

When I purchased my trailer, I didn't think new tires versus used was a big deal. I didn't think not having a spare tire was a big deal. Then my trailer quickly made a trip to IL, CT., and TN.,,, boy did that change my mind. I now have 5 new tires including the spare. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif

[mullins87]

I finally got those Canyon wheels mounted on the Cherokee this weekend. They really make a difference in how it looks. Then I took the original wheels off the Cherokee, bought some tires to put on them, and mounted them on the trailer.

[Don]

Uhhhhhhh, Jim..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[Fred]

good now let me get one or two of your old rims for spares on my trailer!

[mullins87]

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I knew somebody would say that! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Ever since I switched over to Windows XP none of my old software works anymore. Including my digital camera. I'll have to load the pics onto my moms computer, then put them on a disc, then bring them here to upload them. Jeez! Sometimes I hate computers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/td.gif

[mullins87]

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good now let me get one or two of your old rims for spares on my trailer!

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Sorry Fred, they already have tires mounted on them to go on my trailer. Do you, or anybody you know, need a matching set of trailer tires already mounted on black steel wheels? Even have a non-matching spare to go with them. They are Cooper 235/75/15's and the spare is some off-brand 215/75/15. If my camera was working I'd post a pic! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eyeroll.gif

[Fred]

I have a set of 4 matching tires on the trailer, on white rims, I just need a spare! I only have 4. But for just for the sake of asking how much?

[Don]

Fred, are you looking for a spare tire for that trailer, or a spare tire and wheel? I have a like new 215? size tire on a NON Jeep wheel that I'll give you, if it will help.

[Fred]

I am looking for a rim and tire. ANy make or model. I don't care as long as it is the same lug pattern. I have not tried a jeep rim on the trailer so I don't know if it is a 5 on 4 1/2 or not. I think it is. IF it will fit yes I will take it. I will be at TB Sat.

[mullins87]

Mine are 5 x 4.75, small GM bolt pattern.

[Don]

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I am looking for a rim and tire. ANy make or model. I don't care as long as it is the same lug pattern. I have not tried a jeep rim on the trailer so I don't know if it is a 5 on 4 1/2 or not. I think it is. IF it will fit yes I will take it. I will be at TB Sat.

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I won't be at TB until the last weekend in April. I have a little further to drive than you do /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif However, I'll go out into the garage tomorrow and hunt this tire and wheel down... I don't think either has ever been used, but don't know that for a fact. I handled my Uncle's Estate and this tire and wheel was in his house. I had plans to use it as my spare for my trailer, but I ended up purchasing 5 new wheels and tires for the trailer. I'll post the lug pattern, and tire size. If you want it, I'll have it a TB at the end of April. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif

[BillM]

I have 4 like new rims and a 5th with a brand new Goodyear GSA tire on it for sale. Wait you only need one....

[Don]

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Bill, I have never seen Fred drive. He might need 6 spares /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gif

[Fred]

I just don't know why they say you can't tow at 90mph /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hee.gifI haven't blown a tire yet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif. Thats cool Don, I should be there end of April also. If you can throw it on your trailer that would be great! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tu.gifThanks Fred

[Don]

Fred, I have some 245/70/16 tires that have been plugged. Doubt that any should be used as a DD, but there is a fair amount of tread on them and they would be good spares. I'll take a photo if interested. Price is Zip.. if you want them.

[Fred]

Post a pic, but I don't think they would fit my trailer...lol...but the spare on my TJ is that size!